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(5:49) He has been a warrior on the inside fighting for America’s freedom, (5:55) fighting for our liberty for many, many years now. (5:59) He was on the inside of an administration that has denied the threat of Islam. (6:07) He served as the Director of Defense Intelligence Agency, (6:10) Commander of the Joint Functional Component Command for Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance, (6:15) Chair of the Military Intelligence Board from July 24, 2012 to August 2, 2014.
(6:21) He served as the Assistant Director of National Intelligence. (6:25) He has consistently pushed for greater information and intelligence sharing (6:30) and was leading a coalition and special operations intelligence operation. (6:35) He co-authored a report in January 2010 for the Center for a New American Security entitled (6:40) Fixing Intel, a Blueprint for Making Intelligence Relevant in Afghanistan.
(6:47) He has a brand new book out and it is my pleasure to have on the program with me, (6:54) retired Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn. (6:57) Michael, welcome to the program. (6:59) Really a pleasure to have you.
(7:00) Thanks for being here today. (7:02) Thanks for having me, Pastor. (7:03) I really appreciate the time and the opportunity to talk to you.
(7:07) There are so many questions that we could ask with regards to where we are and some of even how we got here. (7:17) There’s a report out by the Daily Caller that says that during the time that you served under President Obama (7:24) as the head of intelligence and your other role as a national security advisor, (7:31) that you had almost minimal access. (7:35) There was never a face-to-face meeting.
(7:38) Isn’t it difficult to try to inform someone who should be making these kinds of critical decisions (7:47) or at least engaged when you don’t even have access to them? (7:52) Yeah. (7:53) And so for your callers, all that background biographical stuff that you’ve mentioned, (7:59) what I was leading is I was leading one of the largest intelligence agencies in our country. (8:05) And I was appointed actually twice by President Obama, once as the Assistant Director of National Intelligence (8:11) and then as the head of this Defense Intelligence Agency.
(8:14) And BIA is also one of the – it is the largest intelligence agency, frankly, in the world (8:21) when it comes to comparing to other countries around the world. (8:24) So it’s a big organization. (8:25) It has a big mission for defense and military intelligence.
(8:29) I was also the senior military intelligence officer for the country. (8:32) So to answer your question, yes, trying to not just get access, (8:40) but also to ensure what we believed was the case that we were facing, (8:46) particularly when it comes to radical Islamism, which we saw as expanding rapidly around the world. (8:54) And we were presenting that information up through the political channels into the White House.
(9:00) And they didn’t, frankly, you know, why I’m sitting here talking to you today on the radio (9:05) is because they didn’t want to hear it from us. (9:06) They didn’t want to hear it from me. (9:08) And they essentially – they, being the president, you know, (9:12) he uses words like JVs and they’re on the run and they’re defeated, (9:19) was being less than honest with the American public, you know, to be kind.
(9:28) Well, we’re not politically correct, so we’re not always kind. (9:32) But we don’t necessarily need to beat them up either. (9:35) Let me ask you this.
(9:36) How early on was the threat of the Syrian rebel groups over there becoming radicalized, (9:46) becoming really a threat, ISIS’s infiltration? (9:50) How early on did we recognize that problem? (9:53) At least 2011, and if not, certainly into 2012, but at least 2011 when you saw – (10:02) and most people weren’t paying attention because, you know, (10:04) they thought that things were subsiding over there. (10:07) But we saw the levels of attacks inside of Iraq starting to go back up. (10:11) And this was all after the decision to unplug out of Iraq in 2011 by President Obama.
(10:19) So we saw attacks increase. (10:21) We saw these rebel groups, you know, this rise of sort of the – (10:26) what we had defeated in Iraq when we defeated al-Qaeda in Iraq. (10:29) We saw the expansion of operating bases, if you will, (10:35) or operating areas inside of Syria begin to grow.
(10:38) And then clearly as 2012 sort of kicked in, we saw just this rise of the Islamic State (10:46) to the point where by, you know, 2014, so two years later, (10:51) this is ongoing and it’s just happening so fast. (10:55) And we’re reporting this rise. (10:58) And it wasn’t just in Iraq and Syria.
(10:59) We also saw this happening because of the disaster that we allowed to occur in Libya. (11:05) We saw the operations in Mali, Boko Haram in Nigeria. (11:09) You know, the continuation of and the rise of the East African al-Qaeda cells.
(11:14) Now we call it al-Shabaab, you know, et cetera, et cetera. (11:18) But essentially what happened over that period of time was a doubling of the size, (11:25) scale, and geographic footprint of the groups. (11:28) And we began to see the huge refugee population, (11:35) this immigration from the Middle East into Europe.
(11:38) And that sort of began the whole discourse or dialogue that’s going on right now (11:46) where we’re looking at this president bringing in 100,000 up to 100,000 refugees (11:51) from Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. (11:54) And so all this played out over the last, you know, four to five years. (11:59) And inside the intelligence system, we were seeing all this and it was being reported.
(12:06) And I know that the American public was not being told the truth about this problem. (12:14) Well, the American public was being misled on so many different levels. (12:19) You know, not only did you have them not being told the truth, I believe, (12:22) about the Islamic threat and what was taking place there, (12:27) but then there were military exercises just last, I believe it was just this, you know, (12:32) a year ago this summer, and you had a lot of different individuals that were beginning (12:37) to have concerns and rumblings that somehow our military had been turned against the people (12:45) of the country and this was going to be a big problem and so forth.
(12:50) So you really were not only fighting external forces, (12:54) but you were also fighting a disinformation war from within. (12:59) Yeah, and I think that, you know, the political correctness of not being able (13:05) to clearly define one’s enemy, in this case, radical Islamist terrorism, (13:11) the level of political correctness that has made its way into our, you know, bloodstream, (13:16) if you will, inside of the executive branch of our government, for sure, (13:21) particularly inside of the Department of Defense and the political leaders (13:25) in the Department of Defense, that has actually caused us to not be able to do many (13:31) of the things that we’re very capable of doing. (13:33) And that’s not just from a military standpoint, but also from a diplomatic (13:38) and informational, you know, to discredit the ideology.
(13:41) It’s one of the things I talk about in the book. (13:43) You know, we were able to talk about communism in all sorts of ways during the days (13:49) of the Cold War. (13:51) In fact, you weren’t chastised over it.
(13:53) You weren’t called, you know, all sorts of names because, you know, (13:56) you called somebody, you called it what it was, which was communism, (14:00) which was totally against our way of life. (14:02) Well, that’s the way radical Islamism is today. (14:04) It is against our way of life, yet when we try to discredit this ideology, (14:10) we’re, you know, we’re called bigots, racists, all sorts of, you know, ugly words.
(14:14) And frankly, it’s one of the reasons why I wrote the book is because there’s a war (14:17) being waged against us. (14:18) It’s a declared war by the Islamic State. (14:21) And we are the main target, the United States, and this administration does not (14:26) allow us to actually use what we know to be true, which is the clearly defined (14:32) enemy that we are facing, which is radical Islamist terrorists.
(14:36) And so it does a disservice to not only those people who know how to fight this (14:42) thing, but also to the American public because this problem also exists (14:46) in the homeland as well. (14:48) And you have the FBI director, you know, who has stated that we have, you know, (14:54) the FBI has a thousand cases in play right now in the country against the Islamic (14:59) State, and in all 50 of our states, there are cases pending. (15:03) So this is, you know, this is a very serious issue.
(15:09) And, you know, one stat that I used today, and I’m going to use it when I talk (15:15) today because I’m not talking about this problem. (15:18) In the last 45 days, we have seen almost 150 ISIS-inspired or directed attacks (15:26) in 22 countries around the world with over 7,000 casualties, (15:32) half killed and half wounded. (15:34) I mean, in just the last 45 days alone.
(15:37) So if you don’t think that these guys are on the march, if you think that they’re (15:41) on the run, as our president has said, then you’re not, (15:44) then people aren’t paying attention. (15:46) And, you know, one of those attacks was right here in our own homeland, (15:50) and that was in Orlando. (15:52) You know, and here we, you don’t even hear the media talking about, you know, (15:55) this guy that killed these people in this club in Orlando.
(16:01) I mean, here’s the father, the father invited to a Democratic speech by Hillary (16:08) Clinton standing right behind her. (16:10) I mean, and they’re talking about all this other nonsense. (16:12) They don’t talk about that.
(16:13) I mean, there’s something going on here in parts of our government, (16:17) and we cannot allow ourselves to be duped or fooled by political correctness. (16:24) Well, the infiltration, I agree, General. (16:27) The infiltration is fairly complete when it comes to the Obama administration (16:32) and their ability or what they’ve done to scrub the books when it comes to (16:38) talking about anything having to do with Islam as a threat.
(16:41) Did you watch the change? (16:45) You were in 33 years, so you were in the 80s, you were in the 90s, (16:51) in the first decade, and in a portion of the second decade. (16:56) Did you see the shift? (16:59) Yes. (17:00) Let me answer your question because let me tell you when, too.
(17:03) In 2004, I was in, at that time I was in two places, really. (17:10) Most of the time, I spent three years, three years with a great leader in (17:14) Stan McChrystal, General McChrystal. (17:16) I spent three of his, he spent five years straight in combat.
(17:19) I spent the first three of those five years with him. (17:22) Okay. (17:22) And in Bagram, Afghanistan, we sat one night and we sort of mapped out (17:28) in a very, very detailed way what we were seeing that was starting to show (17:35) its face, frankly, not just in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Iraq at that time, (17:41) but was starting to show its face in places like Africa, West Africa, (17:45) East Africa, the Asia Pacific theater, places like Indonesia, (17:50) Southern Philippines, and what we began to see is financial support (17:54) come out of the United States of America from different groups, (17:56) and, of course, the Middle East in places like Saudi Arabia, et cetera.
(18:00) So we mapped all of that out in 2004, and at that time, (18:03) we probably counted up about anywhere from about 15 to 20 different groups (18:08) who were certainly ideologically aligned, but they weren’t clearly aligned (18:17) with each other in a way that you would say they’re physically, (18:20) but they were certainly financially supporting each other, (18:23) and they were supporting each other in ways of sort of how they operated (18:28) in their areas, like in Africa or Central Asia or even at home here in the United States. (18:36) And then all of a sudden over the next 10 years, which took me to the end of my career, (18:40) so another 10 years of my career, I’m paying very close attention to this enemy (18:44) because this enemy, we captured their plans on the battlefield, (18:47) we knew what their strategic plans were, which are long-term, (18:51) you know, get into the bloodstream of the United States of America, (18:54) get into the bloodstream of the West, which is what they’re doing. (18:57) We saw the doubling.
(18:59) So what I just told you is we saw in about 15 to 18 countries (19:03) roughly about 20 of these groups. (19:05) That number today is somewhere between 22 and 25 countries, (19:10) and now we’re looking at somewhere between 40 and 45 groups around the world, (19:15) and they all are offshoots of the Islamic State, (19:19) and with this caliphate that has been declared by them, (19:23) they see themselves basically back on the march, back on the rise. (19:29) And over this whole time, over this whole time, (19:32) and I apologize to the listeners for being on my perch here, (19:35) but over this whole time, our administration is telling us (19:38) every time we’ve killed some guy, like bin Laden, (19:41) they keep going back to saying, well, we killed bin Laden.
(19:44) Well, big deal. (19:45) If you want to use the phrase, what difference does it make? (19:47) What difference did that make? (19:48) Actually, it made him a martyr instead of exposing the weaknesses in these guys, (19:54) and it actually caused even more to join the cause. (19:59) So we have to think differently about how we go after this enemy, (20:04) and that’s why I described in my book, (20:07) and out of many books that I’ve read about this, (20:10) everybody talks about how bad this problem is, like I just described, (20:13) but I actually have a chapter in the book that says how to win, (20:17) and I walk through how we can win, (20:20) and clearly, as I have done, we have got to make the Muslim world, (20:25) the greater Muslim world, we’ve got to take them to task on what they need to do, (20:32) and they need to clearly do more.
(20:34) They definitely need to do more, (20:35) and I walk the reader of the book, Peace to Feel the Fight, through that, (20:43) and it’s very important that we do that, (20:45) and the only way that we’re going to be able to do that (20:48) is if the United States leads that horse to water. (20:53) Otherwise, like President el-Sisi, the president of Egypt, (20:58) otherwise what he said, and it’s almost verbatim, (21:02) and I write about this in the book, (21:04) he said, should we expect, this is President el-Sisi saying this at the Al-Azhar mosque in Cairo (21:10) at the beginning of 2015, end of 2014, so over a year ago, (21:14) a year and a half ago, and the Al-Azhar mosque, for your listeners, (21:17) is sort of like the Vatican of the Muslim world. (21:19) He stands up on an international forum, which was in their media, (21:25) and he says, should we expect 1.7 billion Muslims (21:29) to kill the other 7 billion people on the planet? (21:32) And then he says, absolutely not.
(21:34) We need, in our ideology in Islam, we need a revolution or a reformation. (21:40) He calls on that. (21:42) We should have embraced that.
(21:44) Our country should have embraced that. (21:45) Our leaders should have said, yes, we absolutely believe this. (21:49) Instead, we pushed him away.
(21:52) And he’s a guy that went after the Muslim Brotherhood (21:58) growing stronger inside of Egypt under President Morsi. (22:03) So a lot here, I try to lay out a lot of that in the book. (22:06) Actually, it’s a very easy read.
(22:08) In my language, I try to make it very simple for the reader. (22:12) And the book, folks, you can see it, if you’re watching on Facebook right now, (22:15) you can see it on The Field of Flight is the name of the book. (22:18) The Field of Flight.
(22:21) Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn and Michael Ledeen. (22:24) How Can We Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and Its Allies? (22:29) And you can pick it up at the website MichaelTFlynn.com. (22:35) MichaelTFlynn.com is the website. (22:38) For those of you listening over air, again, MichaelTFlynn.com is the website.
(22:43) MichaelTFlynn.com. (22:45) The Field of Fight. (22:47) The Field of Fight is the name of the book by Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn, (22:54) retired Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn. (22:56) Let me ask you this.
(22:57) I’m changing topics on you for just a minute. (22:59) But there’s been some discussion on the Hillary email issue. (23:05) Everybody wanted to bury that and say, oh, not a big deal, not a big deal.
(23:09) We have an Iranian scientist now that we’re pretty sure there’s a link to his death that’s associated with it. (23:17) Assange has come out and talked about the DNC staffer that was just recently killed (23:22) that was probably providing him with his information, and he’s put out a reward. (23:27) But specifically to the Clinton emails, how much damage to our intelligence community? (23:34) And when are we going to ever hear about that? (23:37) Well, I’ll tell you what, a couple of things here that are in play.
(23:43) I mean, first of all, the Clinton machine is like a time scheme that, you know, (23:50) everywhere she touched somebody from either the global initiative or the Clinton Foundation stepped in and benefited somehow. (23:59) So that’s sort of number one. And there’s a really scathing article out about that today.
(24:03) But for everybody that probably listens to think that this is just some big conspiracy, this is not. (24:09) I mean, look at what just happened to the Democratic National Committee chairperson, Debbie Wasserman Schultz from Florida, (24:15) she had to step down from being the head of the Democratic National Committee the day before their convention started because of a rigged system. (24:27) And they were caught.
They rigged it against Bernie Sanders. (24:30) So Hillary Clinton and frankly, anybody else who ran against her was going to lose. (24:35) So here she’s supposed to be a bipartisan type of person, you know, not worried about who’s doing what.
(24:41) And it clearly showed that, you know, and you have to believe that Hillary was probably aware. (24:49) I don’t see that yet, but it doesn’t make any difference. (24:53) The Democratic National Committee inside of their own system rigged their own system for her to win.
(24:59) So that’s a fact that’s out there. (25:01) These other issues about the Iranian nuclear scientist that was just hung, you know, with a bunch of guys from the IRGC, you know, (25:10) coup force hanging around watching this guy hang by a rope and the 400 million dollar ransom that was paid for hostages. (25:18) I mean, oh, my God, how much more evidence do people need? (25:22) But as I stand here today talking to you, Pastor, I believe that there’s people in this country that would vote for Hillary Clinton if she was in an orange jumpsuit.
(25:31) Standing behind bars. And I can’t understand why. (25:34) Because the Democratic and other guys who grew up as a Democrat publicly said I was a I was a Democrat.
(25:41) I grew up with one. But I but I but it’s not the Democratic Party. (25:45) And like I said, I vote for America, vote for leaders.
(25:48) And that’s where I stand with Donald Trump today, because we’re looking at a person who thinks she can be the commander in chief, (25:56) who thinks she can be the president. And all she’s really concerned about is power. (26:00) And I see what I see is I see selfishness and not self or selflessness, you know, to selflessly serve the American people.
(26:09) I don’t see that in her. Well, she’s a very typical Marxist in the sense that Marx was a silver spooned child. (26:19) No one very rarely do you hear anyone talk about who he was.
(26:23) And Marx was peddling to his elitist crowd by stirring up the people. (26:30) And basically you ended up with Marx and his buddies with all the power and then everybody else. (26:38) Let me give you two politically politically correct words that people try to use progressive.
(26:43) So when people go, you know, we’re progressive, we’re looking for the progressive. (26:47) Progressive means socialist, socialist. And then another another politically correct word that she uses something, a word called undocumented.
(26:55) You know, and this is this has to do with the immigration problem. (26:59) That’s right. Undocumented means illegal.
Either you’re documented properly with a green card or visa or whatever, or you’re not. (27:05) If you’re not documented and you’re in this country, you’re here illegally. (27:08) So when people go and they try to soften these things, they say, well, I’m a progressive.
(27:13) I’m for the progressive movement. That means you’re you’re you want this country to be socialist. (27:18) Or when they argue about undocumented, you know, immigrants or undocumented aliens.
(27:24) I mean, hey, you’re either here legally or you’re here illegally. (27:28) And if you’re here illegally, you’re breaking our laws. (27:31) And there and something has to be done about that.
So, I mean, we have got to be what the American people are strong, tough, resilient. (27:40) And they need to be told the truth. And I frankly think that that’s a gap of truth.
(27:46) The lack of it between the federal government and the American public is staggering right now. (27:51) And that has to a degree. That’s why I’m why I was pushed out, because I was like fighting inside, you know, to say, hey, here’s what’s going on and here’s what we’re facing.
(28:03) And I said it. I said it during a congressional testimony, you know, which is which is an open testimony. (28:10) And that was that was, you know, also part of one of the reasons why.
(28:14) Hey, you’re you’re done. And I’m OK with that because I can look myself in the mirror. (28:18) I feel very good about where I stand today.
And I like I tell people I stand for this country. (28:23) And and I’m not I’m not BSing the pastor. This is very real.
We have a problem in this country. (28:28) This country is going in the wrong direction. And like I said, I spoke at the Republican National Convention, which was a real honor.
(28:34) I basically said, wake up, America. And this is not one to sit. (28:38) This is not an election to set out.
This is probably one of the most important elections that we are going to face in our history, not in the last 10, 20 years in our history. (28:46) Because of the direction of this country. It is it is a very dangerous time.
(28:54) It certainly seems as though, you know, we’re at a place we’ve maybe never been before. (29:00) However, I gave us talk in June about the fact that in 1856, if you look at the Republican platform, (29:09) you’ll note that back then they were concerned that the country had veered way off course from the direction of the founders. (29:18) So we’ve we face these crisis.
So the hope is this is the hope, right? (29:22) The hope is is knowing that we can write this ship, but we’re not going to write it if we don’t get engaged and we don’t get involved. (29:30) We’re almost out of time here. Actually, we are.
We got about 20 seconds left. (29:35) Again, folks, I want to refer you to the website, Michael T. Flynn dot com, Michael T. Flynn dot com. (29:44) Field of Fight is the name of the book.
Field of Fight is the name of the book. (29:49) Please pick this book up. Be informed.
Be educated. Be aware of what’s happening. (29:56) You can make a difference.
You are God’s chosen generation. (30:00) I’m your host, Pastor Greg. I’ll have more coming up.